Posts by Vernon Williams

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Needing support and friendship in Ontario

by flipper in

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a young person who posts here has committed to a rehab program, very lonely and sad.

because of leaving the org, mr f and i are the only people who call, and no family or friends are calling or visiting.

(we are in calif, the rehab is in ontario).

The FDS and the 144,000

by Doug Mason in

would someone please verify and explain the following wts theocratic arrangement for me.

it is my understanding that the fds is made up of all members of the anointed who are on earth (wt march 1,2004 page 10 par.

9), and that this fds class is represented on earth by the governing body.

Vernon Williams

Doug,

The "F and D S" is the most convoluted mess: if you pay attention.

Here is the short take, as I remember,

The total in Kingdom Rule is 144,00.

They are the FDS.

The GB is chosen from the FDS.

BOTH the FDS and the "domestics" have existed since 33 CE.

HERE is where it gets complicated: the "120" in the "upper room:" were the first "FDS." They "fed" the "domestics." Now, AT SOME POINT the "domestics" of the first century would HAVE to become the "FDS" to continue and enlarge the "domestics." Make sense?

There would HAVE to be a mutation from one group to the other. This, to my knowledge is never discussed. Also, this "FDS"/"domestics" relationship is not plainly explained. The FDS members are ALSO "domestics" in the sense that they are, too, "fed" by the Org. But, in this case WHO is the one feeding????

There is NO WAY a sane person can make sense of the reasoning on this topic.

"Jehovah's people" can make perfect sense of it.

Reach your own conclusion from here....

V

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Great News, I had to share.

by PEC in

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this is the first time that all the numbers were good.

bd and i must be doing something right.. .

Vernon Williams

I do not understand the numbers...if you are happy: Congrads!!

V

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Just started COC, can't stop crying

by erynw in

i left the wtb&ts 24 years ago after being a full time pioneer for 15 years and have never looked back.

i have no family "in" and have moved very far away from the congro i left.

no one here knows i used to be in this cult.. i experienced the usual shunning from the members of the congro i went to and from surrounding congregations (the city i lived in was big and had several khs), but it didn't last long because i moved away shortly after the "big announcement".

Vernon Williams

There is a lot of "residue" that lingers post exiting and, you are dealing with some, now.

I wish you empathy and patieince: mainly with yourself.

It is part of the process....wish it were easier.

Your are interacting with folks that understand and care as the posts above indicate.

Hang tough,

V

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Are there any here that are Catholic? If so I have a question.

by Irish Rose in

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when i was in the 6 grade, i went to school with a girl who was a catholic.

one day she brought to school her rosery beads.

being raised as a jw i had never before seen this thing.

Vernon Williams

Irish,

Do a search on the history of the rosery. Pretty interesting.

I use to laugh at the concept of a "prayer discipline." Now, I appreciate that thought so much.

Hope all is well,

V

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what a pathetic site this is, so sorry i joined

by donna4174 in

to everyone looking at these pages you are all demonic and will be judged when jehovahs day is near dont leave it to late you sinners of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Vernon Williams

Donna,

Twitch is right....consider comming back. I have found intense emotion, often resistive, occurres right before awareness and acceptance of what is real and true.

More people, here, have empathy with you than you can know.

I will give you a difficult time and then a "shoulder hug." (I never hug women beside my wife chest to chest....to embarressing.....just sharing....)

Take care,

V

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what a pathetic site this is, so sorry i joined

by donna4174 in

to everyone looking at these pages you are all demonic and will be judged when jehovahs day is near dont leave it to late you sinners of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Vernon Williams

John,

We hated Monett as JWs. The place just sucked. My wife called it "Moan-net" beacuse we felt "trapped and hurt."

Then we got booted from the Org. Now, we see what a great little city this is and how many wonderful people reside here. Funny how a taking off ~~shit~~ (oops) mud covered glasses improves one's vision.

Feeling a bit naughty, tonight...Donna really helped (you GO girl, rah!!)

Take care.

If there are any Roman Catholics here, please, add a bead for Donna....

Oh, John, if you get through agian....stop in for a cup of coffee....pm a week before: maybe Donna can join us: now, that would be a riot, I bet!

V

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what a pathetic site this is, so sorry i joined

by donna4174 in

to everyone looking at these pages you are all demonic and will be judged when jehovahs day is near dont leave it to late you sinners of satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Vernon Williams

Donna,

Thank you for the insighful post. I just started posting, again, after a two or three month "sabatical." It is refreshing to come back to such inspiring and encouraging remarks....thank you, again.

Hey, if you ever get to SW MO, look me up. We can go get a cup of coffee or whatever. If you are a female, we can have a guest with us at all times: Mrs. Williams would work fine.

Looking forward to an interesting meet-up!

Love you, too,

V PS: if you re-consider and keep posting, that would be great, too......

Vernon Williams

Monett, MO

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Hello

by Lloyd Braun in

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hello all ex-jw's long time lurker first time posting.

obviously my name is not my real name but i don't want to reveal my real name for fear of shunning obviously.

i have really appreciated much of what this site offers in vast amounts of information that is valuable to me.

Vernon Williams

Greetings....looking forward to your further posts.

Just a side note: this site is hard to get used to: before long you may know a person's favorite color, the number of children they have, the length of thier penis, preference of music, several stories of thier childhood, favorite whiskey, whether the gun they use is full or partial choke, year of auto, the date they had a nipple pierced and......

you still do not know thier name.

Welcome aboard.....

Vernon Williams....my real name

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I am Frustrated beyond belief~/Please read!

by restrangled in

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just had a conversation with my mom about 13 million spent on defending and losing court cases by the society.. i argued that they can't argue against the catholics when they themselves are guilty of the same.. she replied she didn't care.

(after sending them $100,000.00 dollars) she stated that the catholic church had spent billions defending them selves and if the jw's had only spent millions .

that the society had spent billions sending a message, and if i didn't like their message then leave her alone and the rest of the group.. i am burning with rage......i was accused of trying to destroy her beliefs, and if i was not in agreement to reject the entire religion........which of course i have already done many moons ago.. r..

Vernon Williams

Re,

Empathy from Mo.....

Would you become angry with a person in a coma for not being able to understand something you shared with them from the local paper that interested you?

Your mom is, presently, "flatlined."

Hold tough....she might "come out of it" after a bit.

Wishing you patience and endurance,

V